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		<title>Car handsfree/audio kits &#8211; my experiences</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2010 21:34:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Dave Nice</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[In a previous post, I gave an overview of a few different types of car handsfree kits that can also put MP3 players through your car speakers.  To recap, because I have a Vectra with a CD30 head unit without an aux input, I needed a completely self-contained unit that wouldn&#8217;t rely on making use [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a <a href="http://dandr.org/2010/02/podcasts-in-the-car/">previous post</a>, I gave an overview of a few different types of car handsfree kits that can also put MP3 players through your car speakers.  To recap, because I have a Vectra with a CD30 head unit without an aux input, I needed a completely self-contained unit that wouldn&#8217;t rely on making use of the amp in the head unit.</p>
<p>Unfortunately I tried a couple of different units before I found one I could live with &#8211; this was quite annoying and took a few months.  On the plus side, it means I&#8217;ve had hands-on experience with a few different units and can note it down here! <img src='http://dandr.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> <span id="more-40"></span></p>
<h2>Parrot MKi9000</h2>
<p>This was the first unit I tried and the one I liked the most.  It&#8217;s not obvious in the car with just a small control unit on display (less clutter, and less tempting for thieves).  It accepts bluetooth connections for both the handsfree function and music (via A2DP).  I opted to use the iPod dock connector which I hid out of the way in a cubby-hole.</p>
<p>The phone connected seamlessly when I turned the ignition on and I could use the iPod through the dock connector.  I found the sound quality to be really good.</p>
<p>Unfortunately after my initial success, I wasn&#8217;t able to use the iPod dock connector.  I tried with both my iPod Touch 1G and my iPod Nano 2G.  Often music would start to play and immediately the audio would be lost although the iPod would continue playing.  While I chased up a solution with Parrot and Pixmania I used the 3.5mm jack socket which worked fine.</p>
<p>Parrot&#8217;s technical support were pretty certain it was just a faulty unit but after a dispute over a repair with Pixmania which lasted two months and ended up in me being out of pocket, I decided not to risk the same pain with another unit.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s not a massive amount to say about the MKi9000.  Other than my issues with the dock connector it just did what it said it would.  It&#8217;s really got an impressive spec and isn&#8217;t massively expensive, either.</p>
<h2>Parrot MKi9200</h2>
<p>Halfords had MKi9200 units on display so I went in and tested my iPod Touch with them.  It worked fine in the shop although having to navigate the iPod from the MKi9200 display was a touch annoying.  I figured it&#8217;d be safer though, because I could mount the screen closer to the windscreen and nearer my eye-line for skipping tracks.</p>
<p>The unit fitting was the same as for the MKi9000 although with the addition of the display unit which I mounted to the driver&#8217;s side vent with a Brodit mount.  Unfortunately with the display, my E71 mount, and my iPod Touch mount, the car was starting to look nearly as cluttered as my desk&#8230;</p>
<p>In use everything functioned reasonably well.  There are a couple of main problems with navigating your music collection using the MKi9200.  Firstly there is an issue with paging through lists of songs.  It&#8217;s described <a href="http://www.parrot.com/forums/english/viewtopic.php?id=7326">here</a> on the Parrot forum.  I thought that it wouldn&#8217;t worry me but actually it was quite annoying.  It sounds like the most <a href="http://www.parrot.com/forums/english/viewtopic.php?id=8008">recent firmware updates</a> might be working towards solving it. The other problem was navigating my podcasts which was difficult via their interface.  A few people on the forums have also <a href="http://www.parrot.com/forums/english/viewtopic.php?id=7467">noted problems with the iPhone</a>.</p>
<p>The main reason I returned the MKi9200 was reliability.  I found that the UI often locked up for a few seconds which was very annoying (and would have been distracting if you tried to use the unit while driving).  I&#8217;d be trying to exit the menus to find my album list and the unit would hang.  I would be left wondering whether it had or hadn&#8217;t registered my button presses and then, more often than not, the unit would do a hard reset and I&#8217;d be back to square one.</p>
<p>The nail in the coffin was on the way home after Christmas. After about 1.5 hours&#8217; use, the Parrot got itself into a state where it would reset itself, turn on for about 30 seconds (just long enough for me to get music playing) and then reset itself again.  This carried on for quite a few minutes before I gave in.</p>
<p>I think that these reliability issues, particularly the second example, could well have been the box overheating; I installed the main box into a cubby hole behind the fan controls where there was probably not enough ventilation.  However I realised that with the slightly clunky UI and the clutter with the display, the MKi9200 wasn&#8217;t really the unit I was looking for.</p>
<h2>iO Play</h2>
<p>There didn&#8217;t seem to be many options left after discounting the Parrot solutions!  A friend had an iO Play which he seemed happy with it, and it was a lot cheaper than the Parrot systems, so I bought one.</p>
<p>Because the Play only accepts A2DP connections, I made sure that my package included the iO iPod dongle (my iPod Touch doesn&#8217;t have bluetooth built-in).</p>
<p>The installation is, again, simple.  There&#8217;s just a remote control unit this time and no cables in the car interior (bluetooth connection, remember?)</p>
<p>The iPod works fine using the dongle and my phone connects happily over bluetooth.  I don&#8217;t think the sound quality is as good as the Parrot; I&#8217;ve noticed some distortion at times using my iPod with dongle and a friend&#8217;s iPhone. The distortion seems less pronounced playing music from my phone so could just be a device problem &#8211; it&#8217;s not enough to ruin the experience for me, anyway.</p>
<p>Unfortunately I do still have a major problem with the iO Play.  I use has two bluetooth profiles on the iO Play - the A2DP profile and the handsfree profile.  The iPod uses the A2DP profile and I want my E71 to use just the handsfree profile.  Unfortunately, my E71 can also stream using A2DP.  If I allow the E71 to connect before the iPod, it hogs both profiles and the iPod can&#8217;t connect.  If I connect the iPod first, the E71 bluetooth system refuses to see, and therefore pair with, the Play.</p>
<p>The net result of this is that I can choose either to connect my phone or my iPod.  Not completely satisfactory but at least I have the option!  I&#8217;ve started to use my E71 as a music/podcast player which does work fine, but it&#8217;s not as good as the iPod at being my MP3 player <img src='http://dandr.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see this problem going away &#8211; I expect all my future phones will support A2DP and unless the phone provides a facility for me to disable the A2DP connection I think I&#8217;ll continue to have issues. I&#8217;ve spoken to iO&#8217;s technical support who claim it should work but their instructions didn&#8217;t help.  For reference, I <a href="http://discussions.europe.nokia.com/t5/Connectivity/N-series-n86-disable-a2dp/td-p/599709">posted their instructions</a> on the Nokia forum.</p>
<h2>Summary</h2>
<p>So &#8211; my pick of the bunch?  I think the MKi9000 is my favourite.  Packed with features and, other than my problem which *should* have been a one off, it was a great unit.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m still happy with my iO Play.  I&#8217;ll get in touch with iO again (they should have had time to work out a solution to the A2DP hogging by now, right?) and post again here if I get any luck, but I can deal with the compromise.</p>
<p>On balance, next time I buy a car I&#8217;ll be looking for one to which I can fit a simple CD changer/iPod interface.  Whatever I disliked about the Picasso as a car, it worked well as my mobile media centre! <img src='http://dandr.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Podcasts in the car!</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 20:59:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Dave Nice</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;ve got quite a decent-sized music collection and I follow quite a few podcasts.  Listening to CDs in the car is a bit frustrating because I&#8217;m not very good at getting round to switching the one in the player.  Because my commute is only about 25 minutes if I listen to the radio I generally [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve got quite a decent-sized music collection and I follow quite a few podcasts.  Listening to CDs in the car is a bit frustrating because I&#8217;m not very good at getting round to switching the one in the player.  Because my commute is only about 25 minutes if I listen to the radio I generally hear a few songs I didn&#8217;t want to and a few minutes of talking to whet my appetite before I have to dash from the car!</p>
<p>Getting a decent solution in our Ford Focus and Citroen Picasso was easy, but the Vauxhall Vectra has been harder.  I&#8217;ve tried out a the Parrot MKi9000, MKi9200, and also the iO Play &#8211; this blog post contains some summary detail about the different options. I&#8217;ll post a follow-up blog post explaining how I found each unit.<span id="more-27"></span></p>
<p>In our Focus we&#8217;ve got a little box made by connects2 that plugs into the CD changer connection on the back of the head unit and provides a 3.5mm jack plug.  This is really easy to use &#8211; just press the CD button on the head unit twice and plug the iPod into the jack plug.  The sound quality&#8217;s great and it&#8217;s really reliable and well integrated.</p>
<p>In my old Picasso, I had a similar setup &#8211; a connects2 unit (this one providing an iPod dock connector) with a dock for my iPod attached to the dash with a Brodit no-holes mount.  The Picasso has a dedicated button to switch to the CD changer and with the iPod dock connector the steering wheel audio controls let me switch track and pause the music.  For me this solution is even better &#8211; drop the iPod into the dock when I get in the car and it automatically starts playing where it left off.</p>
<p>Having upgraded to a 2006 Vauxhall Vectra, things aren&#8217;t so simple.  My stereo (the CD30) doesn&#8217;t have a CD changer input.  In fact, most of them don&#8217;t!  Some of the units come with a 3.5mm jack input built-in, but mine isn&#8217;t one and it&#8217;s not entirely clear how to tell if your unit can have it enabled at a Vauxhall dealer.</p>
<h2>The options</h2>
<p>Having spent hours searching the &#8216;net, there are a few solutions.  All of them involve fitting an extra unit which provides its own amplifier, overriding your built-in head unit amp.</p>
<p>My basic requirements are that the solution can play music from my iPod slotted into a dock in my car (which basically mandates the iPod dock connector unless I get a glue-gun out and attach a 3.5mm jack plug to the dock) and that it will allow me to use my phone handsfree.  I don&#8217;t want any fuss &#8211; just to get in the car, dock the iPod, and go.</p>
<h3>Fit a new aftermarket headunit</h3>
<p>This was a tempting option for me &#8211; you can get great iPod integration and a built-in phone handsfree.  Everything should work well and in theory it should be possible to get a converter to pick up the steering wheel audio controls.  It should even be possible to get the trip computer (for mpg, current time, etc) linked in with a special cable.  I had two worries about this &#8211; first that it could be a lot more attractive to a thief than the standard head unit and second that getting the right combination of head unit and cables for my car to make the steering controls and trip counter to work could be a bit of a nightmare; I couldn&#8217;t find too much documentation online about it.  I reckon the whole lot&#8217;d probably cost £200-£300 depending on what you bought.</p>
<h3>Parrot MKi9000 / MKi9200</h3>
<p>These <a href="http://www.parrot.com/uk/products/for-ipod-and-iphone">Parrot units</a> have more features than pretty much anything I&#8217;ve seen.  They both have 3.5mm jack sockets, USB connectors you can plug a disk into, iPod dock connectors, they accept A2DP connections, and they work as handsfree kits for your phone.</p>
<p>The MKi9000 doesn&#8217;t have a screen &#8211; you operate it using the little control knob to select the audio source and you browse your audio files on your device (e.g. iPod) directly (although you can skip tracks using the MKi9000 remote).  It plays cues through the car speakers so you know where you are in the menu &#8211; &#8220;iPod&#8221;, &#8220;Bluetooth&#8221;, &#8220;Settings&#8221;, etc.  It&#8217;s unobtrusive once fitted (you&#8217;ve just got the little wireless control unit) and you can control your iPod directly (if you&#8217;ve got an iPhone or an iPod touch you can use its interface to browse your music).  This should cost around £100 + fitting.</p>
<p>The MKi9200 is the same as the 9000 except with a colour screen.  To discourage theft, the screen is removable.  The 9200 puts your iPod into accessory mode &#8211; you have to navigate the iPod menus using the control unit and see what&#8217;s happening on the screen.  This means that you can&#8217;t use the standard iPod interface, it&#8217;s disabled.  These units weigh in about £150 + fitting.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s also an MKi9100 which is very similar to the MKi9200 but with a very small screen.  I suspect that navigating the iPod music on the small screen would be a poor experience so I discounted it.</p>
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<h3>iO Play</h3>
<p>The <a href="http://www.ioplay.co.uk/">iO Play</a> is similar in setup to the Parrot MKi9000 &#8211; it provides a little control unit (wired, not wireless like the Parrot&#8217;s) and you use the iPod itself to browse music and podcasts (although, like the MKi9000 you can skip tracks using the control unit).  It also works as a bluetooth phone handsfree.</p>
<p>The main difference between the Parrot and the iO Play is that the iO unit only accepts bluetooth A2DP connections.  This is absolutely perfect if you have an iPhone (using the later firmwares that enabled A2DP) or a recent iPod touch (the 1G doesn&#8217;t have bluetooth hardware).  Some phones can also do A2DP (like my Nokia E71).</p>
<p>For older iPods you can get a <a href="http://www.my-io.com/Products/iO-BTAPODC.aspx">bluetooth dongle</a> (has to be Bluetooth 2.0 or it won&#8217;t work so well) which you plug into the iPod dock connector and connects to the iO Play automatically.  For devices without an iPod dock or bluetooth you can get a <a href="http://www.my-io.com/Products/iO-BTA3-5.aspx">similar dongle</a> with a 3.5mm jack plug on the end.  The iO Play should cost around £100 + fitting.</p>
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<h3>iO Connect</h3>
<p>The <a href="http://www.my-io.com/Products/iOCONNECT.aspx">iO Connect</a> is the simplest device I&#8217;ve seen that would be suitable.  It&#8217;s basically a very cut-down version of the iO Play &#8211; it has an amplifier and a 3.5mm jack connector.  That&#8217;s it.  The good news is that there&#8217;s not much to go wrong (although I have my suspicions about how well it would auto-detect whether a device was playing &#8211; I&#8217;d want to read some reviews before I bought it), and that you can get it for about £40 + fitting.</p>
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